scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 12:09:24 PM
I understand just fine Scrapheap. Based on the context of you comment, it's pretty obvious what you meant.
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Scrapheap

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 10:53:18 AM
Guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "usual".
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 10:25:22 AM
Thanks for chiming in Scrapheap!
So my responses in this topic were no help to you or anyone else?
[Edited by: scoutmaster at 12/1/2011 11:29:34 AM EST]
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Scrapheap

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 9:23:48 AM
That's my usual reaction after your posts.
[Edited by: Scrapheap at 12/1/2011 10:25:19 AM EST]
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 8:49:11 AM
Well, that was actually no help at all.
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lwren1367

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2011 8:40:58 AM
You are welcome, any time I can be of help to you.
[Edited by: lwren1367 at 12/1/2011 9:41:41 AM EST]
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 12:15:30 PM
Yep new members and old members are allowed to start topics. Thank you Mr. Moto.
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lwren1367

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 11:44:51 AM
This is what I wrote that Scout is having an issue with
"Yes this site has thresholds that are important to the Mods (the owners of the site) if they felt new members should not start new Threads, do you not think that would have been put in place by now? Look at how long you have been on this bandwagon. Have the Mods took any action? No!"
Ok so I may have made a mistake by calling the mods site owners that caused scout to go into a tangent. Still does not change that fact that new members are allowed to start new topics, and will be allowed to in the future.
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 6:16:31 AM
Well rumbleseat, the original point was they are the co-owners. The moderators (CC, Brendan, etc.) are not site owners as lwren stated in a post on Nov 23, 2011 1:23:13 PM.
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 6:14:20 AM
What are you going to attack next, Scrapheap? My avatar?
I misspoke - the answer to "So let me get this straight. You expect people to follow YOUR rules to this site, not the rules of GB management?" is no.
"If the titles of JT and DC did not make a difference to your proposal, why did you spend so much time on that tangent?"
Is this directed solely to me or are you including lwren?
"Why did you say that answering the question of why their titles mattered would take more time to answer?"
Is you are referring to my statement of Nov 24, 2011 10:56:31 AM "The other two require longer answers. If you like, I will address those, Scrapheap." was referring to the non yes/no questions you asked and two of the questions regarding this were yes/no questions.
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rumbleseat

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 5:56:17 AM
Point? I wasn't making a point, I was asking a valid question, scoutmaster, for the simple reason, I couldn't figure out what the heck your point was.
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Scrapheap

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 5:44:12 AM
scoumaster wrote > Never said that, Scrapheap. As usual, you are making that leap. You stated "They weren't yes or no questions. What is the point to giving non-responsive replies to such questions?" and I proceeded to list the yes or no questions in your post.
No leap involved. On 11/24 at 10:20:03 you said "In answer to all of your questions, Scrapheap, yes." So you do indeed believe that people are expected to follow your rules for this site, not those of the owners or moderators.
[Edited by: Scrapheap at 11/30/2011 6:44:46 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 5:40:45 AM
If the titles of JT and DC did not make a difference to your proposal, why did you spend so much time on that tangent? Why did you say that answering the question of why their titles mattered would take more time to answer?
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 4:25:20 AM
What is your point rumbleseat?
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rumbleseat

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 12:34:12 AM
On Nov 23, scoutmaster wrote: "JT and DC are co-founders and co-owners. They are not moderators. CC, Brendan, etc. are moderators not site owners. There is a difference. DO your homework." On Nov 28 scoutmaster wrote: "The answer to "Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?" is yes. They have chosen to call themselves moderators, so what the heck was the purpose of the Nov 23 post?
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2011 1:13:40 PM
"scoutmaster wrote > "Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?" "Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal?" The other two require longer answers. If you like, I will address those, Scrapheap."
1st off, I never wrote ""Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?" "Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal?"" You posted that originally, Scrapheap.
The answer to "Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?" is yes.
The answer to "Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal?" is none and I never claimed it made any difference.
[Edited by: scoutmaster at 11/28/2011 2:14:11 PM EST]
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2011 9:58:47 AM
"So let me get this straight. You expect people to follow YOUR rules to this site, not the rules of GB management? How egotistical of you."
Never said that, Scrapheap. As usual, you are making that leap. You stated "They weren't yes or no questions. What is the point to giving non-responsive replies to such questions?" and I proceeded to list the yes or no questions in your post.
Gotta a meeting. I will address the rest of your post later.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2011 9:43:51 AM
scoutmaster wrote > Yes or no questions you asked Scrapheap "Or are they expected to follow your rules for this site?"
So let me get this straight. You expect people to follow YOUR rules to this site, not the rules of GB management? How egotistical of you.
scoutmaster wrote > "Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?" "Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal?" The other two require longer answers. If you like, I will address those, Scrapheap.
Yes, please explain how the titles of JT and DC have any affect on your proposal. I could use a good laugh.
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bytebug

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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2011 7:00:25 PM
>> I don't post anything in this site for points
We don't need points. I still stand by my original post to this thread.
As for any argument that points are necessary to get people to see the ads, other than posting prices, it takes exactly 5 seconds each to get the points for posting five messages in the forums and reading the news. Even if the ads were displayed, I'd likely not notice them.
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MARIOWERX

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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2011 1:24:46 PM
Have to agree scoutmaster, alot of your posts are pointless. Just kidding!!!
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2011 9:51:57 AM
As I stated before, I don't post anything in this site for points. I would be in favor of upping the posting for posting prices to 200/prices with a max per day of 1,000 (5 prices).
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:37:34 PM
That's it! Resort to name calling! Love it! When all else fails, demean 'em! Good strategy Rich!
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:30:51 PM
No bravado necessary here. There's no real victory in besting a fool.
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:01:35 PM
No I don't. And you are the one making the claim, Rich. So either produce some facts to back up your bravado or step off.
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 8:58:37 PM
scoutmaster says: "Well, Rich, you seem to think I have."
And you don't?
scoutmaster challenges: "Point out where, please or step off."
Again with the anonymous bravado and telling someone to step off. I don't have to prove your behavior as you've already provided the means for all to see for themselves. It's only a matter of time before you do so again.
RG
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 6:22:58 PM
Well, Rich, you seem to think I have. Point out where, please or step off.
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 4:55:29 PM
scoutmaster says: "Where have I not admitted a mistake?"
You have made mistakes here then?
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 12:24:44 PM
Rich,
Opinions are like you-know-whats. Everyone has them. And everything you posted about me is your opinion which you are presenting as fact. And your questioning my honesty???? On what basis? Where have I lied? Not your opinion, now, but some actual facts.
My memory is fine. It seems you attempt to twist and turn things to your liking. If I didn't know better I'd say you were a politician and you might be!
Where have I not admitted a mistake? Facts, not opinions.
I'll be here all week!
Happy Thanksgiving.
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 10:54:22 AM
scoutmaster bellers: "And that last post of yours Rich is just a bunch of cheap shots!"
Hmmm...the last post just consisted of facts worth repeating:
I said: "Anyone with the patience to read through this lengthy and argumentative diatribe will find when and where the scoutmaster either openly suggested or influenced the topic to follow a new course."
This is a verifiable fact.
I said: "Don't take my word for it, but be forewarned that his behavior is disturbing."
Again a fact. Even the scoutmaster must be disturbed when he reads through this.
I added: "It's not up to me or anyone else to prove it. The scoutmaster has a short and convenient memory that doesn't hold up under interrogation."
Also factual. Ayone who troubles themselves to read this will find the proof in the pudding. The scoutmaster defense is to point his finger at other participants in the discussion while failing to accept responsibility for doing the very same thing. This is a convenient memory whether he is the originator or not.
A rational person admits mistakes. The scoutmaster obvioulsy considers honesty and reason as weaknesses and rational people as prey. This is his game plan and it is well documented here and in many other topics of discussion.
Nope, no cheap shots here. Just an honest assessment of miscreant behavior.
RG
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:56:31 AM
Yes or no questions you asked Scrapheap
"Or are they expected to follow your rules for this site?"
"Have I missed something? Did scoutmaster answer these questions that are relevant to his proposal?"
" do you not think that would have been put in place by now?"
"Have the Mods took any action?" This should have been a no.
"Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want?"
"Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal?"
The other two require longer answers. If you like, I will address those, Scrapheap.
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Scrapheap

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:28:57 AM
They weren't yes or no questions. What is the point to giving non-responsive replies to such questions?
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 9:20:03 AM
In answer to all of your questions, Scrapheap, yes. Happy Thanksgiving.
Yup Rich read through the entire topic and you will find I am not the one who started this topic going south. Actually your compadre lwren started this going south with his/her post on Nov 21, 2011 10:21:29 AM. I joined in as did you and many others.
And that last post of yours Rich is just a bunch of cheap shots! Like I said keep them coming! Happy Thanksgiving!
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rumbleseat

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2011 2:41:18 AM
"Technically there is no rule that states a new member can start a new topic."
Technically there is no rule that states YOU can start a new topic either, for that matter. But then, the topic is so totally off the rails it doesn't matter.
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 10:20:53 PM
Anyone with the patience to read through this lengthy and argumentative diatribe will find when and where the scoutmaster either openly suggested or influenced the topic to follow a new course.
Don't take my word for it, but be forewarned that his behavior is disturbing. It's not up to me or anyone else to prove it. The scoutmaster has a short and convenient memory that doesn't hold up under interrogation.
In truth, he has lost his compass.
RG
[Edited by: RichWLIN at 11/23/2011 11:23:53 PM EST]
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Scrapheap

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 10:17:24 PM
scoutmaster wrote > It's very apparent the only reason you decided to post in this topic was to instigate. I wonder if Scrapheap and Rich will call you on this?
Hmmm, let's see.
lwren1367 wrote > Ok fine, the rules of this site state that any member can start a new Topic in the threads, in any topic. If not, they would not be able to do so. So why are you on to them because they are doing what they are allowed to do? Or are they expected to follow your rules for this site?
Have I missed something? Did scoutmaster answer these questions that are relevant to his proposal? I haven't seen it.
lwren1367 wrote > Yes this site has thresholds that are important to the Mods (the owners of the site) if they felt new members should not start new Threads, do you not think that would have been put in place by now? Look at how long you have been on this bandwagon. Have the Mods took any action?
Have I missed something? Did scoutmaster answer these questions that are relevant to his proposal? I haven't seen it.
All I've seen is scoutmaster charge down some tangent as to whether JT and DC are owners or moderators. Did it ever occur to you that as owners, JT and DC could choose any title they want? They could call themselves President, CEO, Top Dog, Generalisimo, Grand Poobah, Head Honcho, The Big Cheese or Moderator. They can give themselves multiple titles if they want. They have all the powers that the hired moderators do and then some. Now what difference does any of that make to your proposal? If you have a case to make regarding your proposal, why don't you make it?
[Edited by: Scrapheap at 11/23/2011 11:20:15 PM EST]
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 9:37:11 PM
lwren, Your only purpose here is to antagonize. You have added nothing to the discussion nor do you intend on having a discussion.
Rich, I blessed nothing. That is your interpretation. I am holding no compass. You keep wanting to put this on me yet I am not the one who sent this topic south and you know that yet you continue to purport it. You won't call anyone else to task in this topic except me which can only be explained as you are on the attack. Keep attacking! At least that is something you seem to be a common ground you and lwren have.
I'll be here!
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RichWLIN

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 8:23:25 PM
scoutmaster ponders: "I wonder if Scrapheap and Rich will call you on this?" (extraneous question marks deleted)
I can't speak for Scrapheap, but as far as I'm concerned this topic was deviated from a long time ago, and at that time it was with the scoutmaster's blessing. So be it then.
lwren1367 has followed one or two of the tangential discussions, as have we all. Too late in this game to cry foul since these are the rules we've been playing with. One of the advantages of straying from appropriate subject matter with the scoutmaster holding the compass, is that it isn't likely that he will tattle to the moderators when he is himself as lost as the rest of us in this discussion.
This was supposed to be a debate about the member point system, wasn't it?
RG
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 6:14:05 PM
I realize that both of them are swell guys, they have answered questions I have emailed to the "Mods". I have seen them both post messages in the forms on topics that people are looking for answers to. All this suggest they are "Moderating" in some fashion.
Arguing? Can some one not have a discussion with you and you not take offence to it? The mirror tells me I need to comb my hair, what little I have left.
I bait no one one just so you know. Why do you feel guilty?
[Edited by: lwren1367 at 11/23/2011 7:15:06 PM EST]
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 5:18:21 PM
Ask them why it says moderator next to their name. I have no idea! I do know JT and DC are the co-owners. I have had many a conversation with both and they are really great guys. The moderators CC, Brendan, etc. are not owners. Ergo, your statement "the Mods (the owners of the site)" is not correct, lwren.
I love it when some one accuses me of doing nothing but arguing yet they do the exact same thing! Take a look in the mirror, lwren.
Am I threatening you???? No. I threaten no one! Nice try, though! A lesser person would have taken your bait!
You can stick up for who ever you want to, lwren! It's very apparent the only reason you decided to post in this topic was to instigate. I wonder if Scrapheap and Rich will call you on this???????
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 4:06:45 PM
There is a difference between discussing something and bashing a new member in the threads. As long as that continues, you will see people like myself and scrapheap step up to their defence. I believe you know my views on new members starting new topics, I doubt you change that with any of your suggestions. Besides, reading most of the threads you have posted in, you are not discussing much. You argue everyones view, and offer nothing to support your stand on things.
[Edited by: lwren1367 at 11/23/2011 5:15:48 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 3:32:33 PM
Then why does it say moderator next to there name on their profile? Are you saying they do not moderate this web page?
You are correct anyone can start a topic if they only have 100 points or 2,713,700 points. Do we expect the person with only 100 points to have the same knowledge of the way this confusing site works as we do some one with 2,713,700 points. Most people would say no, that is why we should help them instead of bash them in the threads.
A fight, are you threatening me?
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 2:57:59 PM
JT and DC are co-founders and co-owners. They are not moderators. CC, Brendan, etc. are moderators not site owners. There is a difference. DO your homework.
Technically there is no rule that states a new member can start a new topic.
The moderators haven't taken any action on a lot of things. Does that mean we stop discussing and debating them, lwren?
All of a sudden, lwren, you decide to jump into the fray! Seems you just want to pick a fight!
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 1:42:26 PM
Every thing I can find states JT as co-founder and CEO of this site. And he is a Mod, Do your home work.
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 1:31:55 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but is JT not a Mod and part owner of this site?
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 1:26:02 PM
You know What I am talking about as far as site owners/people that run the site.
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scoutmaster

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 1:04:22 PM
The mods are not the site owners.
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lwren1367

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 12:23:13 PM
Scout Writes;
Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 5:57:41 AM Ignore scoutmaster Report Abuse
This site already has thresholds that must be earned before something can happen. You must earn 10,000 points to be able to add or modify or delete any station on the MSL and there are others. I am only asking these thresholds be extended to starting new topics.
Yes this site has thresholds that are important to the Mods (the owners of the site) if they felt new members should not start new Threads, do you not think that would have been put in place by now? Look at how long you have been on this bandwagon. Have the Mods took any action? No!
[Edited by: lwren1367 at 11/23/2011 1:30:26 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 11:31:57 AM
Additional points for stations without active prices
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lwren1367

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 10:47:24 AM
Scout writes;
Message Posted: Nov 22, 2011 9:54:25 PM
There is no inconsistency, Scrapheap. I believe aoklman explained it very well. I'm sure you are a member of a group and have to follow the rules the group has. Do you feel that doing so strips you of your individuality?
Ok fine, the rules of this site state that any member can start a new Topic in the threads, in any topic. If not, they would not be able to do so. So why are you on to them because they are doing what they are allowed to do? Or are they expected to follow your rules for this site?
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2011 10:34:27 AM
>> Yes people can be part of a group and treated as an individual. An enlightened and fair minded judge could do just that. I still say they can be part of a group and treated not as an individuals but based on the perceptions those doing the judging have of the group. Even scoutmaster seemed to agree with that. <<
Yes, you're right, there are people who are prejudicial towards some groups. Whats your point? That the solution is to do away with groups? That is not a practical or reasonable solution.
It seems sad that you appear to be guilty of doing the exact thing that you chastise Scout for, arguing for the sake of argument about a point that is not important (and that we are all pretty much in agreement on anyway).
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